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Tough Choice: Seeds or Clones

January 15th, 2009 by Silvio

tFS Note: This the 3rd in a series of posts by Silvio, from WeedFarmer.net, covering introductory and initial cultivation methods.

That’s right, we’re going to cover the topic that caused quite the debate in the comments of my ‘First Time Growers: Common Mistakes‘ post.

As soon as you’ve started the process to grow your own crop, decisions need to be made. The first and most important one is what foundation to start from. Are you going to grow from seeds or rooted clones.

The decision is not an easy one, as both growing options have their respective advantages and disadvantages. You will have to think about growing space, crop risk and turn around time.

Here are some useful pieces of information that will help kick-start your journey to cultivating bliss.

clones

Clones – Pros:

  • The time factor. If you go for clones, you will harvest sooner, therefore more often and end up with more harvest.
  • You will be able to turn one of your clones into a new mother plant.
  • You will get to know what makes your plants grow faster and produce more yield.
  • Every strain is different, but once you figured out what’s good for the one you grow, the results will get better every generation.
  • If you really have to, you could start flowering a clone as soon as it’s rooted.
  • Poor harvest, but very short turnaround time.
  • If you make your own clones, you (almost) eliminate the risk of disease.

Clones – Cons:

  • Unlike seeds you won’t be able to buy clones online.
  • High risk of inheriting problems from the last grower: Root rot, spider mites, powdery mildew, etc. This can kill your entire crop, if not treated early and accurately.
  • Unhealthy clones may die or remain in shock for an extended period.
  • Shipped clones may be in shock and take weeks to recover. There are many stories of medical clones shipped without any protection and arriving flat!
  • Clones are very, very sensitive. You can kill them easily with too much light, and too much nutrition.
  • Since you will end up with almost only female plants, you won’t be able to breed new strains yourself. Plants going hermaphrodite is also possible with unstable clones.

seeds

Seeds – Pros:

  • Seeds you bought off a seed bank will give you a very clear picture of what you can expect regarding strain, yield, quality and flowering time.
  • You can try to breed your own super-strain since you will have some male plants.
  • Even feminized seeds will produce a certain amount of male plants.
  • Hybrid vigor. A female plant grown from seed, is known to produce more buds in most cases. Strains can lose potency over time, if cloned to often. Sometimes it’s a good idea to introduce a new plant into your garden, and start cloning again from there.
  • Seeds should produce healthy plants, free of disease and pests.

Seeds – Cons

  • Cost. Not only are good seeds not cheap, since they will take a lot longer to finish, electricity bills will be higher.
  • There is always a chance you get ripped of if you chose to buy from the wrong seed shop. And seeds being seized by customs is also not unheard of.
  • Not all seeds will germinate and only 50% of the unfeminized seeds will be female. Feminized seeds may produce up to 90% females. Only female seeds will produce female mothers, from which productive clones can be taken and flowered.
  • It may take many seed packs to discover an excellent mother.
  • Growing from seeds takes a long time, a lot of labor and money before you see good results.

Ok, that should give you a good idea on the pros and cons for both seeds and rooted clones. Now choose wisely, and go and spread your wings as a weed farmer!

7 Comments

  1. Gravatar-licious

    There’s a few problems with this one.

    Clones
    -Clones actually degrade with every generation. I forgot what the specific term for it is called. I think what you’re describing is “dialing in” which is what you already mentioned when you said the grower gets to know better.
    -I (almost) wanna say something about the disease thing LOL

    I just think you beat up on seeds too much. While it does take longer and therefore uses more electricity, the time is only about two weeks difference. Also, you can start flowering from seed as well. That actually helps keep the plants smaller if you’re doing a small personal grow and not going for five foot trees indoors. Conversely, you may want to veg your clones longer for larger growth.

    A pro/con of clones are the clone-only strains that exist like chemdawg, I think. They’re potent strains but you’ll never see them as a seed, hence the potential double-edged sword of a clone. So, you’ve got to know the grower. For example, I know a guy in Brooklyn.. well.. shhhhh (accidental cross that came out POTENT AS SHIT and he’s not sharing his only 12 magic beans).

    Seed prices are basically affected by popularity as is the nature of pricing. You can definitely find some cheap but powerful strains that people may not be buying because it’s not popular. Everyone knows Trainwreck or OG Kush and people go stupid just hearing the name. But, Mikado, which is cheaper, is NOT to be slept on. I would definitely pick up some of the more unknown names just to try them out. One of my connects in NYC comes through with some “other” shit. Juicy Fruit was the most recent and it was great. My friend sent me a txt today about Nebula and Headband so those are next on the agenda. But, when I’m lookin for a sure thing, my other connect always has the more popular strains available.

    my 2


  2. Gravatar-licious
    Ezparz Says:

    So if I buy a packet of a dozen seeds, not all will be female, but should I still grow the males in order to harvest seeds for next year’s crop? And how does one harvest seeds for the following year?


  3. Gravatar-licious
    Silvio Says:

    Anthony Taurus

    you are right. clones lose potency over time, if you keep cloning them. there was a typo in the post:
    “Strains can use potency over time, if cloned to often”
    it should, and does read now:
    “Strains can lose potency over time, if cloned to often”.
    thanks for pointing this out.

    i also agree with you on the seed thing. it is in my opinion the better way to grow. i said that in another post before. especially for first time growers. i do a mix of both. if you can get your hands on a good clone from a experienced grower, for the love of god, take it (if you trust him. see: diseases)!!
    and if you have strain at home you like, not cloning it, would be a waste. but keep the motherplant alive,too. thats the important thing here. if you keep taking clones from clones, you will end up with crap after some generations. sort of the hillbilly version of your original plant ;)
    seeds are indeed, most of the time, overpriced. hype/demand/marketing. still, it’s well worth it if you want to add a new strain to your garden. make sure you keep one good motherplant alive, so you didnt just pay for one generation. i have 5 motherplants right now, and keep cloning from them from time to time. you can keep a motherplant for an almost indefinite amount of time alive. one is 4 years old now and i still get good clones from her. i know a guy who has a 15 year old plant at home. if i can get in touch with him, i post a picture of the plant. amazing thing.

    and about the disease thing: that ONLY applies to clones you get of an untrusted source. and let’s face it…most sources are ;)


  4. Gravatar-licious
    Silvio Says:

    Ezparz
    if i were you, i would look into cloning. you will find tons of tips for that on weedfarmer.net. what you talk about is pollinating a female plant with male pollen. you would have to sacrifice one female plant for that. an easy way to do that would be to get one male and one female in one room, and let nature take it’s course. you will end up with one female with seeds you can use. and if you want to go totally nuts, you put two different type of strains in that room, and start a new strain. that’s called breeding then.

    my advise is, start from seed. take one motherplant from this growth out of your general grow space, and take clones from her. after that, start the same process again. build yourself a nice garden of motherplants you can use to produce clones.
    other growers may do it different, and you will probably find a different way for yourself that just works better for you. thats just the system that works for me.


  5. Gravatar-licious

    Although I’ve never had to do this (yet) and I want to, I’ve always felt a good idea is to get that seed pack, grow them all out and pollinate all of the females to get more seeds. I’d keep all the females but choose the STRONGEST performing male as a stud. At the same time, keep your eye out for your strongest performing female because your strongest seed stock will come from the strongest pairing.

    Sure it will set you back a few months but you’ll have more seed stock to work with in the future in case you lose your mother plant. This way you don’t have to take the chance or ordering new seeds especially if you’re in the US. This should provide some incentive to chase those higher priced and more popular strains.

    You could always split up the grow. Breed your strongest male and female, keep a second female as a mother, and just grow out the other females. The mother should always have it’s own space anyway with other mothers if that’s the case. But, also give the male it’s own personal space as well where you can catch the pollen (and keep it in a small jar like a sperm back or pollen bank). Of the females growing, pick your best performing one to pollinate on the side. In the future, you may end up collecting pollen from different strains for serious breeding. Next stop Cannibus Cup LOL.

    But as I’ve said, it’s just an idea that I haven’t even done yet myself.


  6. Gravatar-licious
    Silvio Says:

    sounds like you thought about that once or twice before :D

    the only thing keeping me from doing this is the fact, that you will need some serious time and money. how many separate rooms are we talking here? 3 at least. if not 4. clones/seedlings,veg grow and flower. plus one for pollination. every room with a separate light, ventilation and climate control system.

    well, this sounds like a serious idea :D give me the money for the equipment, get a ticket to italy and we can do this together in my house. space is there :D


  7. Gravatar-licious

    hahahahaha… well my grows tend to be small scale or personal anyway so i always talk in “spaces” as opposed to rooms because you never know what size space people are using. technically i have 3 spaces in my bedroom. small space for seedlings, it’s 5 feet tall but 10 inches wide so i can stack tall. i have another space which is 24 inches by 30 inches which is good for keeping 18 inch tall plants. and i have closet that’s 9 feet in height, 6 feet long, but only 2 feet wide. also i’ve been toying with the idea of putting my bed about 5 feet off the ground and using that space underneath as more grow space in the future, kinda like a bunk bed without the bottom bed LOL.

    you can make usage of smaller wattage lights. i use CFLs anyway. biggest one i’ve got is 125W which is warm to the touch. also small fans and computer fans for even smaller spaces do the trick. takes a lil wiring and ingenuity but it works. my pink bunny friends can attest to that LOL.



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